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  1. lost4life New Member


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    During Old Testament times, before this present dispensation of grace began, Gentiles were always blessed through the exaltation of Israel. As we shall see, Old Testament passages such as Gen.26:4; Gen.28:14; Is.2:1-4; Is.27:13; Micah 4:1-3; Zech.8:20-23; Zech.14:16; etc., made it clear that Gentiles would never be able to approach God without first blessing the nation of Israel.

    Such is not the case today, though, because the apostle Paul states that Gentiles are now saved through the fall of Israel, rather than through her exaltation, in Ro. 11:11-13 -

    11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    12: Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
    13: For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

    The context of the above excerpt from Romans 11 is established in verse 7, where Paul states that "...Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded". So, when Paul states just four verses later that through "their fall" salvation is come unto the Gentiles, he is obviously referring to the "fall" of Israel.

    As a result, the gospel by which Gentiles are saved today is no longer dependent upon blessing Israel. Rather, our salvation is based upon the fact that "Christ died for our sins", as Paul writes in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 -

    1: Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2: By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    However, not once did the Old Testament scriptures ever foresee that Uncircumcised Gentiles would some day be saved through Israel's fall. Nor did they prophesy that Christ would die for the sins of Uncircumcised Gentiles, as Paul explains in the above passage. One may search the scriptures from Genesis through the book of John, and never find any mention of these doctrines, because they are identified with the "mystery" that was revealed to Paul alone.

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    I do not agree.....Abraham was to be the Father of many nations.....

    The servant of the Lord was to deal with the whole world;
    Isaiah 49:1-8King James Version (KJV)
    49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

    2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

    3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

    4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

    5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

    6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

    7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

    8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
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  3. Him New Member


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    Very very very few Gentiles were saved during both the mediatorial and monarchical phases of Israel's history.

    Very few of Israel was saved during the history of Israel as well. Only a small minority within Israel trusted in God. So it is with today's Israel where the majority does not accept their Messiah while a minority does.

    Mid Acts people fail to recognize the element of Israel the faithful within the whole of Israel the nation. While the nation has fallen the Remnant has not fallen. God is going to place a mark upon 122k Jewish evangelists. God will raise up two Jewish men to be the Two Witnesses of the Tribulation. Today there are members of the church who have a dual position of being in Christ and being true Jews of that very Remnant.

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