I did just listen to a wonderful bit of teaching from John Macarthur on this (whom i believe aligns with you more than i on this subject). i can't help but feel that we get to that phrase (those whom he foreknew) and just kind of...stop. that there's more to be discerned, but i'm not currently equipped. Maybe i can get some reading done today and we can dive into that can of worms. I'll note, however, that the persons vs. Events is a distinction I haven't heard before and i find very helpful. Thanks for that.