Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Anthony D'Arienzo, Aug 10, 2017.
Just curious which of the 4 do you hold to? Can we have a 5th option?
I believe some of the book is past, we are currently seeing some of it unfold and some is yet future.
With end times I look at it this way. No matter which view a person holds they must be actively serving the Lord as a labourer in His vineyard.
I have been drawn to the postmill view in recent years and am attempting to live as if that is the biblical position.
Over the years my list has completely reversed.
I was first taught the the dispensational view was the biblical view.
Now I would rate the 4 views this way;
Any "other" view that one might hold would be a variation of one of these.
What you seem to be indicating is a partial preterist view...with either a post,or amill,base.
I can be more specific on my views but I am not sure the direction you have intended for this thread. I guess technically if I say any of the Revelation is past you could say partial Preterist but personally I don’t like the term I have conversed with a few people that consider themselves Partial preterist and I had few views in common.
You are free here to go in any direction you would like to. If a person denies orthodox teaching that is another matter.
Feel free to discuss anything that is on your mind.
I’ll give an overview if anyone wants to discuss specifics we can do that. I see the book of Revelation as a series of overlapping scenarios. Chapters 1 thru 5 are past. I believe some of the seals are past as well as is some of the trumpets. The vials in my view all come in more rapid succession at about the time of Christ’s return. I do not see the book of Revelation as being in complete chronological order. I try to stay literally when possible.
I believe there are several references to the return of Christ described in Revelation supporting my view of overlapping scenarios.
Over the last 5 or 6 years I have spent a lot of time studying the book of Revelation. What will follow is the result of my study. It is my commentary, opinion and understanding of this very relevant book. I will post a few chapters if it generates any interest and discussion I will continue, if not we shall see. Any discussion or different views are welcome.
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The purpose of the book of Revelation. Why is this book one of the most avoided books in many churches today?
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Refers to John. John was actually shown these things in a vision, (Rev 1:10).
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
This is why we should read and study this book. Revelation the only book in the bible with such a promise.
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Seven churches in John’s day. There is no stated scriptural reason to spiritualize the churches and make them represent different churches throughout the church age. The text says they were 7 churches in Asia.
Many do spiritualize the seven churches , several differing views can be found in commentaries , but what we know for sure is there were 7 literal churches in John’s day located in Asia.
Seven Spirits, Rev. 4:5, Rev. 5:6 Isaiah 11:2 1.the spirit of the Lord 2.the spirit of wisdom 3.the spirit of understanding 4. the spirit of counsel 5. the spirit of might 6. The spirit of knowledge 7. the spirit of the fear of the Lord.
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
1 Corin. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 5:10 KJV And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth
Revelation 5:10 ASV and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon earth.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Matt. 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven
Acts1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:11 Rev 21:6 Rev 22:13
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
The voice was “as a trumpet” in power and clarity the voice spoke words. No literal trumpet blast in this verse.
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Seven literal churches of that day.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Vs 20 “the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches”.
Example of symbolism that is interpreted for us.
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
VS 20 “The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches”
Another example of symbolism interpreted for us.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
The things John was shown while “in the spirit”. The things which thou hast seen could refer to the entirety of the Revelation or possibly the things in John’s past such as chapters 4 and 5.The things which are chapters 2 & 3 the letters to the churches of that day. The things which shall be hereafter, the prophetic portion in John’s future, some of which could have been fulfilled in our past. Chapters 6 thru 22 are future to John’s day.
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
More symbolism interpreted for us.
King James Version (KJV)